tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post4018229387954960307..comments2024-03-26T20:47:12.919+00:00Comments on Going Commando | A SWTOR Fan Blog: Grumbling About Login RewardsShintarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-36495318850179858912020-11-23T13:47:01.129+00:002020-11-23T13:47:01.129+00:00so it's slightly less scummy than what eso doe...so it's slightly less scummy than what eso does interesting....... still hate em lol nice to see someone not get all goo goo gaa gaa over free stuff just because it's free stuff. i'm more of a pay for value and like to earn things kinda person. Pantarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00356392516966254998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-73313912267115017342020-11-15T21:41:10.032+00:002020-11-15T21:41:10.032+00:00I know people, who only do OPs. I know people, who...I know people, who only do OPs. I know people, who only do PvP. I know a huge amount of people, who only come back for new story expansions. I guess i now know one guy, who only does dailies. Whatever floats your boat. ^^ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-46359777759248748322020-11-15T18:42:10.763+00:002020-11-15T18:42:10.763+00:00Late reply...
@Shintar - Oh, it's definitely ...Late reply...<br /><br />@Shintar - Oh, it's definitely the dailies that keep me logging in. They work well as a hook to get me started in the long, long gaps between any new content. I log in, do the dailies on two accounts and if I run into something interesting while I'm doing them (usually some action in WvW but also interesting events or a meta going well in a PvE zone) I'll stay around for as long as it stays interesting, which can be a couple of hours or more. <br /><br />If it was only logins, good though they are, I'd have lost the habit after a few months. The main reason for that, other than it being pretty pointless to get login rewards for a game you don't play at all, is that I actually dislike the actual process of "logging in" to any game because I don't allow my PC to store any information about login names or passwords so I have to type the entire thing in to every game every time. I pretty quickly get fed up of doing that if I'm not spending any time in the game itself after I've done it.<br /><br />@Anonymous - If you haven't played GW2, you need to know that it has almost no vertical progression. The level cap hasn't ever changed since launch eight years ago and there is almost no gear progression at all. You can make a character and have it functionally complete in a week or two. Conversely the game consists of an incredible number of very long "grinds" for currency and crafting materials mostly, and a truly huger number of infinitely repeatable "events" and meta-events. Lots of people pick one sort of thing and do it for ever while others just do bits and pieces of loads of it but there's no real direction everyone needs to go. Doing just dailies makes about as much sense as anything else and they're quite well designed and entertaining, so why not?Bhagpusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499162165023939880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-72197981584142328372020-11-15T14:22:17.524+00:002020-11-15T14:22:17.524+00:00Bit late to the party so I can only agree with lik...Bit late to the party so I can only agree with liking the GW2 version. When I login, I get something. If I login 7 times in a month, I still get the 7 rewards as with logging in daily, I like this a lot.<br /><br />EVE is notorious for absolutely needing to login every day, but in the last year or so they made some events where you could catch up, e.g. log in 3 days of 5 to get all rewards and not just 3 out of 3.<br /><br />As I said on Twitter, the worst part for me would be the Authenticator. Even on a day where I don't want to play, logging in to GW2 or EVE is a single click (ok, maybe 3 clicks) but no password. SWTOR doesn't even remember my password, so I need my password manager and my phone, I always play on the same machine, dammit.<br /><br />And some login rewards are just enticing enough to get me to login, it's not that I resent the game then, but I don't think it's a great concept either - because at least for me it's only to boost the game's number, I am 0% motivated to play after that. I am motivated to login and logout.Nogamarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16541775026595839236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-52474029727809325142020-11-15T11:46:27.372+00:002020-11-15T11:46:27.372+00:00@Shintar I use this site: https://steamdb.info/app...@Shintar I use this site: https://steamdb.info/app/1286830/graphs/ to look at the trends. When I have spot-checked the numbers they were accurate, so I'm comfortable that they are useful to look at. The long term trend has been consistent, at least. I suspect they'll follow the typical MMO trend of peaks with new content, followed by dropping to a steady state of long term players.Pallaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01052537793722183657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-19386908946484092952020-11-15T01:02:10.131+00:002020-11-15T01:02:10.131+00:00@Anonymous: I don't find it that strange. :) I...@Anonymous: I don't find it that strange. :) I'm not that fond of dailies in SWTOR but I certainly know people who are. And I've been "that person" who just grinds dailies on a bazillion alts in other MMOs...<br /><br />@Pallais: Oh no, I didn't realise it had dropped off that much. :( I agree that doesn't look too good after the strong launch they had in July. Personally I think people are just starved for some new story content.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-53507248730895360852020-11-14T23:13:51.220+00:002020-11-14T23:13:51.220+00:00@Shintar I hear you. I wish I had a good suggestio...@Shintar I hear you. I wish I had a good suggestion on how to make it less of or a non-annoyance. <br /><br />I'm wondering if the login reward addition is to prop up their Steam login numbers. They did well for about a month and dropped down to under 10K daily logins (and sometimes not even on the list). That's not a good look for them given that ESO, for example, seems to be steady at around 25k daily logins.Pallaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01052537793722183657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-17323562037108318692020-11-14T22:07:00.563+00:002020-11-14T22:07:00.563+00:00sorry for double post, but i read it again...
&qu...sorry for double post, but i read it again...<br /><br />"It's not an exaggeration to say that, for the last couple of years, the game has been dailies. And it's a good game that way. They could dump the rest and just keep that part and I'd still play. Probably enjoy it more, actually."<br /><br />...that really sounds like somebody in SWTOR is only doing CZ-198 and Yavin 4 Daily Areas over and over again and is happy with it. Scrap story, operations, flashpoints, pvp...just these two daily areas. That is a unique way to play a game. Never heard of something like this before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-44295891062815927202020-11-14T21:53:44.450+00:002020-11-14T21:53:44.450+00:00@Bhagpuss Why do you want to log in and do only da...@Bhagpuss Why do you want to log in and do only dailies in GW2? Just to slowly grow your wealth, level, or what? For me it sounds like "go to work" with no fun at all. Dailies sounds not like "i play the game".<br /><br />I just can compare it with SWTOR, as i don't play other mmos. And i don't see the point in doing CZ-198 over and over again. Am i missing something? At one point you have to set yourself a goal you want to achieve.<br /><br />If i say i want to be rich, i do it full time and not bit after bit with log in rewards and some dailies. I would craft the shit out the game and be done with getting rich in two months. :)<br /><br />GW2 log in and dailies sounds more like i kill time without any reason beyond i have the time and don't know what to do with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-78509512826653004152020-11-14T11:10:57.292+00:002020-11-14T11:10:57.292+00:00@Pallais I liked the seasonal login rewards in SWL...@Pallais I liked the seasonal login rewards in SWL too. I'm fine with that sort of thing as a limited-time event, I just find it tiresome as a permanent feature.<br /><br />Neverwinter has the same perk with the free lockbox key for subscribers (VIPs) and it's definitely important that I let that lapse whenever I don't feel like playing that much, or else the daily key collection really starts to get on my nerves. Ironically, I'm not VIP right now but still logging in every day anyway, but for gameplay reasons...<br /><br />@Bhagpuss For me there's a huge difference between logging in just to get free stuff and logging in to do some sort of activity though. Do you think you would have stopped logging into GW2 if the login rewards weren't there or would the dailies have been enough to keep you going on their own? And what about the opposite situation (no dailies, just login rewards)?Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-88537806542578037942020-11-14T09:06:24.918+00:002020-11-14T09:06:24.918+00:00I was going to make the GW2 comparison as well. H...I was going to make the GW2 comparison as well. Honestly, the login rewards there are excellent. They're frequently extremely useful (currencies you actually want and need for a start) and they just go through the cycle whether you leave it a day or a month or a year. No pressure, all win for you.<br /><br />The thing is, though, they do really work to keep people logging in. I'm about as certain as I can be that both Mrs Bhagpuss and I woudl have stopped playing GW2 a couple of years ago if it wasn't for the combination of login rewards and dailies. We both talk about "doing our dailies" as if it's the same getting a coffee. It's something you do every day without thinking much about it, or inour case a few times because we each do the dailies on two or three accounts every day. It takes a few minutes, you get two gold and free stuff each time (two gold is a meaningful amount of money in GW2) and the dailies are fun, often as not. Sometimes they draw you in to other content, too, particularly in World vs World. <br /><br />I realise I've conflated login rewards with dailies but that's because, for us, they are really one and the same thing. We never just log in, get the reward and log out. We always do our three dailies. It's not an exaggeration to say that, for the last couple of years, the game has been dailies. And it's a good game that way. They could dump the rest and just keep that part and I'd still play. Probably enjoy it more, actually.Bhagpusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499162165023939880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-87342730876069538482020-11-14T00:54:17.082+00:002020-11-14T00:54:17.082+00:00I'm used to the 28 day rotation from Guild War...I'm used to the 28 day rotation from Guild Wars 2. I used to login regularly, but eventually I just let it fall to the wayside. I don't mind that system now because I know I can ignore it as I need.<br /><br />Elder Scrolls Online is annoying as their system seems to be tied to the calendar. The few times I login I'm always back at the start, which becomes a disincentive (for me) to coming back.<br /><br />The most annoying was Secret World Legends. If you are a subscriber you got one lockbox key each day you subbed (among other, useful perks). I found myself logging in just for the damn key and not playing. Eventually I got smart and let my sub lapse. I mean, I've really enjoyed the game and wanted to support it so that there would be new content, but that's become a vain hope. At least the login rewards are like Guild Wars 2 and are just whenever you log in. (The seasonal event logins are like this, too. Those aren't bad because you know they are going to end and are usually things you want to grab. Plus they are generous enough to let you miss days without penalty.)Pallaishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01052537793722183657noreply@blogger.com