tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post9044258652213044006..comments2024-03-26T20:47:12.919+00:00Comments on Going Commando | A SWTOR Fan Blog: The Lonely SoldierShintarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-25515405740250697062016-05-12T18:48:42.235+01:002016-05-12T18:48:42.235+01:00Ack, I just found that this comment had been sitti...Ack, I just found that this comment had been sitting in my spam folder for a month! Naughty Blogger!Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-33366898480797826182016-04-15T13:15:39.427+01:002016-04-15T13:15:39.427+01:00Ah, but the end of the class stories implied that ...Ah, but the end of the class stories implied that our identities <i>wouldn't</i> change anymore, that we would just continue to go on somewhat generic missions that might be important in the grand scheme of things but wouldn't change who we are. Makeb for example still worked alright for any class. KotFE on the other hand is a continuation of our <i>personal</i> story after all - with the problem being that for a lot of classes it doesn't really mesh with the identity the game gave them previously.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-72391348079372808462016-04-15T08:50:33.345+01:002016-04-15T08:50:33.345+01:00The fact that most non-force users feel left out i...The fact that most non-force users feel left out is very strongly noticeable in all chapters, however, we knew how story will be developed in the game after the initial "origins" and have had enough time to get used to it.<br /><br />I am probably lucky (D'OHG!) to not have yet played a non-force alt of mine that played the original story as if they don't care at all about what Republic and Empire do to each other or what others do to them. I do have a few of those too, but choose to play the KOTFE stories first with my "more related" characters and classes.<br /><br />Yes, it's sad to see all under the same hood and being forced to do what they may never have done had they be offered a choice, but I was prepared since 2012, when we learned that no more personal class stories are to be created. :)Vulkkhttp://vulkk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-72298019385477435452016-04-15T00:41:18.655+01:002016-04-15T00:41:18.655+01:00Honestly, they seem to be in love with Valkorion, ...Honestly, they seem to be in love with Valkorion, which is even weirder. But, yes, I think they got caught up in how cool they think their story is and didn't think about anything else - how the players might feel, whether it fit all of the classes, how the story would actually be for a character experiencing it. Makes it a bit of a mess, unfortunately.depizanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718932582443559617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-7898174486045600732016-04-14T18:57:05.788+01:002016-04-14T18:57:05.788+01:00Look at all the trailers they release for the chap...Look at all the trailers they release for the chapters, everytime time we turn around, it's a Jedi Knight they show, so yeah it's gonna make us that play non force users kind of left out in the cold, I don't think Bioware really thought this through entirely when they decided to make KotFE, but I for one, am enjoying the game play. Shadowzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15857409581886145055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-60567131796932975232016-04-14T08:39:14.224+01:002016-04-14T08:39:14.224+01:00I suspect that this may be a side effect of Biowar...I suspect that this may be a side effect of Bioware having been just a bit too in love with their new story when they wrote it. Along the lines of: "Wouldn't it be awesome if all of this happened?" As a result they didn't take enough time to consider how all of it might make players feel along the way. That's my theory anyway.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-45197004701117634242016-04-14T02:20:49.292+01:002016-04-14T02:20:49.292+01:00In addition to what you and Calphaya bring up, I k...In addition to what you and Calphaya bring up, I keep feeling like there's a weird disconnect between the events of the story and player character, even as just the Outlander, but especially considering they were someone before that. The best thing in game I can compare it to is if, in Chapter Two of the Agent story, you - instead of being focused on breaking your mind control - just merrily went along with it, like following Hunter really was your new mission.<br /><br />For the "Outlander," this story is a nightmare - you've got an evil Sith lord stuck in your head, you've lost your companions (possibly friends or lovers), you've lost five years of your life, possibly your home country, and everyone you're surrounded by wants to use you. But it isn't played like that. Which, as soon as the initial momentum runs out, makes it feel really flat and unreal to me.<br /><br />Why isn't getting Valkorion out of your head a priority? (For you, if for no one else.) What about your friends/crew/team/whatever? It hasn't been five years for YOU. Where's the emotional response to ANY of what happens. And, yes, I get why the game in general downplays our character's emotions, but this goes too far. They either needed to sell us on wanting to go after Arcann or give us dialogue options that indicate tension between what the Outlander wants and what they're able to do. And at least leave room for headcanoning some amount of distress. (Hell, a few short scenes of introspection would go a long ways - the Outlander staring out a viewport or whatever before someone comes up with the next bit of plot.) And they really drop the ball on the whole Valkorian thing.<br /><br />(Worse, we're apparently supposed to listen to him, since Marr and Satele more or less agree with him now. :\ Which is making this all feel less and less like Star Wars, at least to me.)depizanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718932582443559617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-24107439113628484552016-04-13T22:20:39.613+01:002016-04-13T22:20:39.613+01:00That may well be, but that doesn't mean I have...That may well be, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. It simply feels like the kind of story written e.g. for a Jedi knight player.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-89433950493133560982016-04-13T22:19:14.089+01:002016-04-13T22:19:14.089+01:00Yeah, that part of the original smuggler story was...Yeah, that part of the original smuggler story was a bit meh, but you could subvert it somewhat by choosing to not actually help the Republic but instead sell to the highest bidder and such.<br /><br />And yeah, smuggler and bounty hunter probably have it even worse than my trooper. At least she has some interest in being heroic and saving the galaxy...Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-90436807242832360172016-04-13T22:03:19.878+01:002016-04-13T22:03:19.878+01:00'Argh', basically.
Love it! :D
And I tho...<i>'Argh', basically.</i><br /><br />Love it! :D<br /><br />And I thought you might appreciate the extra info about new Havoc.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-67588106816655039122016-04-13T21:53:03.061+01:002016-04-13T21:53:03.061+01:00Yeah, the agent also has the additional factor tha...Yeah, the agent also has the additional factor that its class story is a lot about powerful people trying to manipulate you... which is happening all over again in KotFE, except this time you're supposed to listen to them? Ehhh...Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-69172154352831783902016-04-13T15:49:26.102+01:002016-04-13T15:49:26.102+01:00As I played this chapter I had similar thoughts ab...As I played this chapter I had similar thoughts about my trooper. He wouldn't want to rely on the force or shady force characters from the past. But then he also would want to re-unite with Havoc and take it to Arcann directly with the Republic flags flying. I doubt Bioware will give that option...Telwynhttp://gamingsf.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-13316689898264145422016-04-13T13:12:17.673+01:002016-04-13T13:12:17.673+01:00I believe the issues you're having with your c...I believe the issues you're having with your character are what your <i>supposed</i> to be having right about now. Your character is being harassed across the galaxy by some intergalactic usurper, who also is aware that the Immortal Emperor is in your head ("daddy issues!"), and everything that held you on to your previous identity is gone. How do you handle this? How does your character handle this? You're no longer defined by your place in the Republic vs. Empire conflict, but how you can pull together a ragtag rebellion without being able to rely upon your past anchors.<br />Redbeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306063084983025771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-69518437426430599442016-04-13T11:07:12.707+01:002016-04-13T11:07:12.707+01:00I can't really see my Smuggler or Bounty Hunte...I can't really see my Smuggler or Bounty Hunter giving two hoots about the whole Zakuul thing. Neither of them cared about their respective factions and they would just carry on with what they used to do: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Now let's get down to business.<br /><br />In fact, I stopped playing my Smuggler for the longest time when the class story forced her to cheerfully become a Republic privateer. She had no interest in that, and it really soured me on that story. I only came back a long time later to finish it out of completeness. I wouldn't have minded so much if the character had been railroaded into it in-story (blackmail or something), but your response choices were basically three flavours of "Sir! Yes, Sir!" Killed it for me, as it didn't seem like my character any more.<br /><br />So I'm very glad I began KotFE with my Jedi Knight. It really does seem to fit her like a glove, and I do enjoy it immensely. I don't think I shall ever bother playing it with my Smuggler of Bounty Hunter, though. It is the story of some other hero, not them.Guidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07882687017712412137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-90645281113165849412016-04-13T10:45:26.614+01:002016-04-13T10:45:26.614+01:00Follow-up:
After some digging, I was able to lea...Follow-up: <br /><br />After some digging, I was able to learn that Abbeth is apparently listed as a "Scout", suggesting that he is in fact the replacement for the Infiltration/Exfiltration Specialist that is the player Trooper as described by Tavus in the Prologue.<br /><br />I was originally assuming that Kanner was fulfilling this role, but it seems that she could well be the "new Tanno Vik" whilst Torg is the "new Forex".<br /><br />Jorgan should've hired a Gen'Dai to replace Forex. :PCalphayahttps://spawnofthedreadmaster.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-65592395703387059102016-04-13T10:33:51.792+01:002016-04-13T10:33:51.792+01:00As much as I can tolerate uncharacteristic advance...As much as I can tolerate uncharacteristic advancements for my own main class of Sniper, I do have to agree that this is a real problem, if not the most significant thereof, when you look intrinsically at the new story and its direction.<br /><br />BioWare are keen to push that we are now this character of "the Outlander" without any real consideration of what our characters prioritise above all else. Republic, Empire, all long-standing obligations? Who gives a damn about all those; let's instead focus all priority on this situation of Zakuul without allowing us even so much as in-game news of events "back home", save for again situational trickling-through. <br /><br />I mean, seriously, we've known our Companions for four-and-a-half in-game years before our disappearance and we're unable to reach their holofrequencies and inform them of your survival?<br /><br />Chapter XII definitely does provide some really jarring moments in this regard; our characters are forced to go along almost unquestionably with the Force instead of potentially being snarky or dismissive about the ideas raised. Makes sense for a Jedi, but definitely not for a Smuggler who has based their entire existence around luck. <br /><br />"The Outlander" definitely does feel like they should be an entirely new individual in their own separate game, but unfortunately we have to tolerate this bizarre mish-mash of class representations which all but ignore prior accomplishments. <br /><br />'Argh', basically. <br /><br />(Additionally, I want to say from those descriptions - of which I was not aware, so thanks for noting them down! - that Abbeth is the replacement for either Tanno or Forex, depending on whether or not Torg's "Heavy Shot" description effectively designates him as the Explosives Expert. Forex is the only one who has no designated role in Havoc outside of "supremely powerful battle-droid", so his replacement is not exactly easily identifiable from descriptions alone..!)Calphayahttps://spawnofthedreadmaster.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1538233114133115363.post-22938397547405804942016-04-13T07:16:02.766+01:002016-04-13T07:16:02.766+01:00I have a very similar feeling on my Agent. Not so ...I have a very similar feeling on my Agent. Not so much with the companions, the old crew was very much "allies of convenience" like the new crew. But very much with the story.<br /><br />In some ways, I think it is worse for the Agent, because the Agent story was all about the difference between Force users and normal people. How normal people cope with and survive when all men are not created equal. To suddenly cross over to the other side feels a bit like a betrayal of the Agent story.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.com